Donald Trump Borrows Timothy McVeigh’s “Defense”

The Rise of American Right-Wing Extremism From Timothy McVeigh to Stewart Rhodes

I am a political prisoner,” said Oath Keeper and January 6 insurrectionist Stewart Rhodes during his sentencing hearing, “and like President Trump, my only crime is opposing those who are destroying our country.” Rhodes vowed to continue to “expose the criminality of the regime” in prison.

He was then sentenced to 18 years for seditious conspiracy with an upward departure for terrorism under the sentencing guidelines.

(Why this is a big deal: Rhodes never entered the Capitol building so the DOJ has now reached the planners and instigators. For more on that, see this post. This was also the first time the judge allowed an upward enhancement for terrorism for an insurrectionist.)

Timothy McVeigh said something similar about his 1995 attack on the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. He said his attack “was a direct response to the abuses and usurpations of the federal government, particularly those at Ruby Ridge and Waco.” (Homegrown, p. 4)

Quotations are from this book:

Timothy McVeigh was a man ahead of his time

McVeigh was Incel before the word was invented. He was “unable to attract the sexual interest of women and responded with rage toward them (Homegrown, 55).

McVeigh was also the prototype of an aggrieved Trump voter long before Trump entered the political scene. McVeigh’s father and grandfather had a lifetime of steady work at a local factory. When McVeigh needed a job, such opportunities were gone. “The world he once knew–the one where his father walked into the same steady job in the same factory where his own father used to work–had vanished. (Homegrown, 64). In 2016, his hometown cast 67% of its votes for Trump.

McVeigh was unable to handle college, so he dropped out during his first year. He was also unable to find a job, so he earned a meager living selling items at gun shows, often living in his car or staying with friends. He had some success in the military because he was eager to kill people, but he failed to make the Green Berets, and when two Black Americans were chosen over him to attend sniper school, McVeigh believed he was better qualified and insisted that the Black men were affirmative action hires and thus took what was rightfully his. 

So, basically, he was a loser who believed Black Americans were robbing him of his “birthright” of a guaranteed job.

McVeigh was “paranoid about immigration and race-mixing.” His political views “were a cauldron of resentment–against politicians who wanted to take away his guns and people (especially Black Americans) who, he believed, had jumped ahead of his kind in the American hierarchy.” (Homegrown, 26.)

He thus held to Tucker Carlson’s replacement theory long before Tucker Carlson.

He said things like, “Nothing of great value has ever been accomplished or contributed by a Black person.” He said that if Blacks could wear a shirt that said Black Power, he could wear one that said White Power—and he did. (Homegrown, 42.)

He was an early fan of Pat Buchannan and Rush Limbaugh. He was also an early Second Amendment absolutist: He believed that “freedom” meant that he should be able to buy any gun at any time. He absorbed the culture of gun shows, which were a haven for right-wing political activists. He joined the National Rifle Association as a teenager and faithfully read American Hunter, the NRA’s official magazine.

Like the Confederates and segregationalists before him, he believed that “freedom” was “threatened by federal power.” (Homegrown, 23.)

Also like the Confederates before him, he believed violence was a permissible way to achieve his political goals. In 1992, he wrote a letter published in a local newspaper in which he said, “Is Civil War imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system?” (Homegrown, 56.)

Like the right-wing extremists of today, he believed that he was acting in the tradition of the founding fathers and “wrapped his views in twisted interpretations of the Constitution.” (Homegrown, 118.) He recited from the Declaration of Independence to justify his attack on the Murrah Building. “If we wish to be free–if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending . . . we must fight!” (Homegrown, 4.)

Bill Clinton’s signing of the 1994 assault weapons ban “sealed his decision to  proceed with the bombing.” (Homegrown, 6.)

McVeigh believed he was part of a much larger community of people who shared his worldview. (Homegrown, 56.) He also believed that “the bombing would be the fuse that led to a nationwide rebellion against Clinton” and what he considered “other defilers of the Constitution.” (Homegrown, 10.)

He committed a robbery to finance the bombing of the Murrah Building.

Bill Clinton Knew

Immediately after the bombing, when the rumors were afloat that the attack was from Muslim extremists, then-President Bill Clinton knew who was responsible.

“This was domestic, homegrown, the militias,” Clinton said to his staff. “I know these people.” Later he said, “You guys have to understand. I’ve been fighting this all my life.” (Homegrown, 187) Clinton’s first political memory, when he was eleven years old, came from Governor Orval Faubus’s refusal to allow nine Black students into Little Rock Central High School. Bill Clinton had seen the KKK up close. He understood immediately that the bombing was “the product of more than just a pair of twisted minds.” It was “the result of the poisonous rhetoric of Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, and the right-wing zealotry machine.” (Homegrown, 205.)

McVeigh’s “defense”

One way to defend yourself at trial is to say, “I didn’t do it.” Another way is to say, “I did it, but I had to,” and then offer an affirmative defense. An example of an affirmative defense is self-defense. “Yes, I shot him but he was pointing a gun at me so I had no choice.”

McVeigh wanted to assert the “necessity” defense, which says that “the conduct could not be avoided and was justified because the conduct was necessary to prevent the occurrence of harm that would have been more serious.” Basically McVeigh wanted to be acquitted on the grounds that he had to bomb the building as part of a larger effort to stop the federal government from infringing on the freedoms and liberties of Americans.

He reasoned that Thomas Jefferson himself said that “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

(His defense lawyers told him that the necessity defense had zero chance of succeeding.)

His other “defense” was to float conspiracy theories that the government suppressed evidence that “unnamed” others were involved. He didn’t want to name anyone. The idea was to accuse the government of maliciously hiding evidence to discredit the federal government.

Trump Rose to Power Because He Appealed to The McVeigh-Style / Pat Buchanan / Rush Limbaugh / Gun-Toting Government Haters 

During the years since McVeigh’s death, the forces that led Timothy McVeigh to bomb the Murrah building have “endured, flourished, and burst forth, among other places, at the Capitol on January 6, 2021.” (Homegrown, pp. 205-206.)

I maintain that Trump owes his political power and his hold on the Republican Party to the fact that he has his finger on the pulse of McVeigh’s brand of right-wing extremism.

DeSantis might be a by-the-book fascist (see Hammer Time Thoughts‘ list of Desantis’s bills) but Trump has a better understanding of what the gun-toting, federal government-hating, misogynistic racists care about. Trump knows which fights to pick. He knows how to tap into simmering grievances. He knows better than to pick a fight with Mickey Mouse or launch his presidential campaign on a website. Unlike DeSantis, Trump is a showman who understands the optics of announcing his bid for president after riding a staircase in an opulent lobby.

Trump fascinates everyone. His enemies can’t look away because they want to see him fall. His fans can’t look away because they cheer on his brashness and want to see him defeat his enemies.

He also understands how to play to the McVeigh-style right-wing extremists who have, over the past few decades, grown in power and influence as part of an angry backlash against the modern Civil Rights and women’s rights movements, which upended the nineteenth-century hierarchy guaranteeing white men access to women and financial security.

I suspect these two things are entwined: Trump fascinates everyone because he has his finger on the pulse of America’s right-wing extremism.

Trump can’t stop “fighting” because if he does, he’ll be just another pathetic loser under indictment. If he keeps “fighting,” he remains a hero of the right-wing extremists

As with McVeigh, Trump’s political needs are at odds with his needs as a potential defendant. Trump can either behave like a normal potential defendant and try to get the best deal he can, or he can be a right-wing hero and hope that the extremists ultimately gain control. (He is probably also deluded enough to think he can win the next election on the theory that these indictments will fire up his supporters, who will see the 2024 election as the last chance to prevent “left-wing radicals” from seizing complete control. The fact that Trump has promised to pardon the convicted insurrectionists demonstrates that he does not see any of these prosecutions as a liability for his political future.)

It is common, by the way, for criminal defendants to view themselves as victims of unfair prosecution. It’s often the job of the defense lawyer to talk sense into them and get them to behave in ways that can lessen their criminal liability.

But if Trump stops “fighting” and behaves in ways that lessen his criminal liability, he will lose his chance to remain center-stage and retain his grip on the Republican Party, so don’t expect him to do it.

It should be clear by now that the “indictment right now” people who have been insisting that right-wing extremism continues to flourish because that wimp Merrick Garland hasn’t brought enough indictments yet do not understand the nature of right-wing extremism.

The Westfall Act and E. Jean Carroll’s Other Defamation Case

I know what you are thinking right now. You’re thinking, “My weekend would not be complete without an explainer of the Westfall Act and the latest on the DOJ defending Trump in the other E. Jean Carroll defamation suit.”

Right?

Well, I’m happy to oblige.

E. Jean Carroll has a second defamation lawsuit waiting in the wings. That lawsuit has been on hold because of a complication. The complication is that Trump made his statements while he was president, which means the Westfall Act may come into play.

The Westfall Act (in a nutshell) stipulates that federal employees retain absolute immunity from common-law tort claims arising out of acts they undertake in the course of their official duties. More specifically:

Westfall Act’s primary purpose is “to protect federal employees from personal liability for common law torts committed within the scope of their employment while providing persons injured by the common law torts of federal employees with an appropriate remedy against the United States” It modified the Federal Tort Claims Act by adding that in tort suits filed against federal employees for “negligent or wrongful acts or omissions…while acting within the scope of [their] office or employment”, the employees are considered immune, and they are removed from such suits and instead replaced by the United States government and transferred to federal court.”

The wrinkle is that defamation is a tort, and therefore comes under the Westfall Act, but (here’s the real wrinkle) public officials cannot be sued for defamation. The idea is that public officials often, during the course of their duties, make statements that adversely affect the reputation of others and shouldn’t be exposed to liability.

When E. Jean Carroll sued Trump for utterances he made while president, the first legal issues were whether a president was a “federal employee” under the Westfall Act and whether his statements were made as part of his official duties.

Under the Westfall Act, the DOJ makes the initial assessment about whether the Act applies. The DOJ, in doing its assessment, was guided by Council on Am. Islamic Relations v. Ballenger 44 F.3d 659, 664 (D.C. Cir. 2006).  (The DOJ can’t make up the law. The DOJ has to follow the law as written by Congress and explained by the courts.)

The facts in Council on Am. Islamic Relations v. Ballenger indeed look somewhat similar to Trump’s case. In Islamic Relations, a Congressman, fielding questions about his personal life, made an utterance for which he was sued for defamation. More specifically, the Congressman said his wife didn’t like living across from the Council on American-Islamic Relations after 9/11. He was sued for defamation by an organization whose stated goal is to promote a positive image of Islam in the United States. The court said his remarks were within the scope of employment, even though he was not discussing government or policy. The question and comments were purely personal, but the court said the Congressman was acting within the scope of his employment because the press often asks politicians personal questions.

From this, the DOJ concluded that Trump was covered by the Westfall Act and that his remarks were made within the scope of his employment.

The district court disagreed and held that a president is not an employee of the government as that term is used in the Westfall Act. In the alternative, it held that even if the President were a Westfall Act-covered employee, Trump had not acted within the scope of his employment when he allegedly defamed Carroll.

The case went to the Second Circuit on appeal. The Second Circuit reversed the district court’s finding that the president isn’t employee under the Westfall Act but certified the legal question of whether his utterances were made within the scope of his employment to the D.C. Court of Appeals, thereby letting the D.C. Court of Appeals decide.

DC. Court of Appeals said: “Whether the President of the United States was acting within the scope of his employment is a question for the factfinder.” In other words, the court said yes, our ruling Council on Am. Islamic Relations v. Ballenger made it sound like there was a  bright-line rule, but really, it isn’t a bright-line rule.

bright-line rule resolves legal questions in a straightforward, predictable manner. Bright-line rules are easy to administer. They are fast. You apply the rule and you are done. The problem with bright-line rules is that they often result in unfairness because situations are different. An “it depends” rule which looks at the specific facts is harder to articulate but, if articulated well, can result in more fairness.

Specifically, the D.C. Court of Appeal said this:

Under the law of the District of Columbia, and on the record before us, whether the President of the United States was acting within the scope of his employment is a question for the factfinder. The record provided to this court would not entitle either party to judgment as a matter of law under any of the standards that govern motions to dismiss, motions for summary judgment, or motions for judgment notwithstanding the verdict. Further, there may also have been additional, critical facts elicited since the certification of the question of law to this court during the completion of discovery, in particular during the deposition of the former President. It is not at all clear to us that the Federal Employees Liability Reform and Tort Compensation Act of 1988, commonly referred to as the “Westfall Act,” 28 U.S.C. § 2679 et seq., requires an answer to this scope-of-employment question as a matter of law at this preliminary stage.

By saying this is a question of fact instead of a question of law, the court basically said that whether Trump spoke those words as a federal employee acting within the scope of his employment depends.

What does it depend on? That’s what the parties and lower court have to figure out.

After being told that Council on Am. Islamic Relations v. Ballenger didn’t actually create a bright line rule, DOJ basically responded by saying, “Okay, we need a chance to examine the facts so that we can reevaluate our position.”

Translation: The DOJ is saying that someone in the department has to sit down and think about it and write a legal document. While legal documents are super fun to read, as I have demonstrated in this blog post, they do take time to write, and now the DOJ has to write one.

I expect the lower court will say, “Nope, Trump’s comments were not made under the scope of his employment.” This is an easy prediction because the district court already came to this conclusion once.

I thus predict that E. Jean Carroll will get another trial and she will win again.

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39 thoughts on “Donald Trump Borrows Timothy McVeigh’s “Defense””

  1. Many thanks, Teri.

    I’ve been living out of the States for some time now, and missed the whole Timothy McVeigh episode, so this was super educational. The whole rising of Trump was a mystery to me, it’s a little clearer now.

    Your work, clear writing, experience and humour is much appreciated!

  2. trump as well as his never ending list of lawyers prove continue to avoid the most obvious charge needed to leveled against trump and that charge is treason. Treason is the most serious of charges and he committed that crime, so stop pussy footing around it, stop covering him like he’s important, he is not. What he is, is a traitor in every aspect of that word

    1. The Constitution defines treason. The Constitution says this:

      “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”

      The reason treason was defined in this way is because the founders did not want the word “treason” thrown around for political differences or lesser crimes. The Supreme Court further has said that the “enemy” must be a country in which we are at open war, meaning a war declared by Congress. The framers of the Constitution were clearly afraid that the word was too vague and explosive, and that charges of treason might be brought against people with opposing political views, so they gave a very specific definition.

      So in fact, Trump has not committed treason

      I allowed your comment through despite the disrespectful tone because you may be looking for a response.

      You can see that “treason” would not apply to the insurrection. (And no, allegiance to Russia or being influenced by Russia doesn’t make it treason because we are not in a declared war with Russia. Even when Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were convicted of handing nuclear secrets to the Soviets at the height of the cold war, they were convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage, not treason.)

  3. Hey Teri. Great post as always. Since you broached the subject of the OathKeepers and Rhodes, and by extension the coming indictments of the planners, I wondered what your opinion was concerning Margery Taylor Greene becoming one of the future indictees (sp).
    There is a video of her coming down the steps of a back entrance to the White House where she claims she, and others, were planning events for Jan 6th. But the investigation so far hasn’t revealed that possibility yet. It seems her claims would make her a target. Any thoughts Teri?
    As always, thanks.
    R

    1. It’s a long, long way from planning a January 6 event to participating in the planning of the insurrection. There was already an attempt to remove her from the ballot in Georgia and that failed. I haven’t seen the evidence that would tie her directly to the attack even in an aiding and abetting capacity. There could be evidence I haven’t seen, of course.

      1. Maybe guiding tours when the building was shut down for people who wound up being convicted of participation? I think that’s been publicly established and, if so, it makes a convincing case that she “aided and abetted.”ALSO: the standard for being excluded from being in government needs to be more-likely-than-not and not beyond-a-reasonable-doubt. The decision in Georgia used the wrong standard.

  4. I have tried to write a comment 3 times & I have lost it 3 times.

    Ugh,

    Where does the Target, Bud Light stuff fit into this? I ask because DeSantis is very much a guy who uses his power to come after corporations who speak out against his ‘values.’ Trump seemed to back off on going after corporations, and to even at one point say that the culture wars were a distraction. That caused some backlash in MAGA world.

    And what does it mean to the future of the GOP? Are we finally going to see the folks who want to force their version of Christianity down your (and my, tbh) country’s throats sidelined?

  5. What is most true to keep in mind is that criminal minds often think that they are victims. That paranoid thinking leads them to believe that they can therefore victimize others. What is interesting is that they can convince or at least hope to convince others of such delusions. That leaves the rest of us scratching our heads and hoping the law will get to reality.

  6. DonA In Pennsyltucky

    The phrase describing McVeigh’s complaint about “people (especially Black Americans) who, he believed, had jumped ahead of his kind in the American hierarchy” reveals a racist and undoubtedly patriarchal point of view. The one that asserts that there are innate, heritable, features which divide humanity into groups (races) and that White males should be deferred to by anyone in a lower position in this imaginary hierarchy.

  7. Socialist Gene Debbs, in prison for expressing the opinion that World War I was wrong, ran for President in 1920 and came in third. The country would have been better off if he had won. He was not the kind who would have pardoned himself, so would have served from prison.

  8. People who think like McVeigh have been around for ages. Their belief system hasn’t changed. Mostly, they’re losers looking for someone to blame. And they have a bizarre, paranoid theory of how the world works. It is uninformed by any reality and anchored by a strange, byzantine set of theories and conspiracies.

    Dan Pfeiffer recently wrote that the mistake most people make is thinking that Trump turned the GOP insane. Pfeiffer says Trump’s genius is his recognition that the GOP has been insane for a long time, insane and angry. Trump didn’t invent the crazy – he exploited it. He saw a ready-made mob he could exploit, while making a ton of money. If you take him out of the equation the threat still remains and the explosion is still just one punch away.

    There is no “sane” wing of the GOP, no people of good faith. They are as volatile as a KKK rally and eager to destroy anyone who stands in their way. They do not love the country the framers gave us. They care nothing for the Constitution. They want power and “retribution”. Never think otherwise.

    1. I agree wholeheartedly. To say that Trump did this…no he didn’t. All he did was exploit what was there already to his own advantage. To blame everything on him is dangerous, bc thinking ‘once we remove trump’ all will be well….speaks complacency once he’s gone, and THAT is dangerous.

    2. It takes 2 to Tango. A demagogue needs an immiserated population to promise a redress of grievances, a restoration of former status, a return to glory. Either condition by itself isn’t enough.

    3. I get confused by this, because for quite a while I thought there was a craven, but sane, wing who had no intention – or interest, for that matter – in giving the evangelical/social conservative wing what they want, but they would pat them on the head & throw them enough scraps to keep them in line. Hence the reason Buchanan could never win the primary – they knew he wouldn’t turn to the centre in the general. My take on Trump was he made those folks realize they were being used for their votes, then ignored for 4 years. And it didn’t help the ‘moderates,’ that they lost with McCain & Romney.

  9. First, and most importantly, thank you for your clear explanations of these complex legal issues. I eagerly await every one of your Saturday posts. You are performing an invaluable public service.

    Second, a minor proofreading note. In the seventh paragraph after the Homegrown book cover: isn’t the NRA’s magazine titled “American Hunter,” rather than “American Hunger”?

    Cursed autocorrect, I’m sure. Although there is a more than a grain of truth in the phrase, American Hunger, in regards to what McVeigh wanted.

  10. Thank you for another great post!

    Regarding: “I know what you are thinking right now. You’re thinking, “My weekend would not be complete without an explainer of the Westfall Act and the latest on the DOJ defending Trump in the other E. Jean Carroll defamation suit.””

    That was not at all what I was thinking!! . Thank you for including information I’d never think to ask for!

  11. Thanks for a another insightful article. Most important was the description in simple terms of the right-wing extremist base. Most enjoyable was, after earnestly winding through the applicable Westfall etc law and having no clue where it would go, I got to the part where E Jean Carroll will get her trial and win again.

  12. David Holzman

    That Biden family! Beau Biden actually had the nerve to die before he could be arrested! And Joe becomes President to avoid trouble! What a crooked bunch!

    E. Jean has been hiding her membership in that family!

      1. I can: the “satire” marker was left off.
        (P.S. I tried enclosing it in angle brackets, but that didn’t work.)
        </satire>

        1. My guess? 98%+ odds that David’s comment was indeed satire, no matter the lack of any ‘satire marker.’ The three key sentences are each delightfully over-the-top.

        1. Chuck Lavazzi

          I thought as much. The problem these days is that mock right-wing crazy is difficult to separate from genuine right wing crazy.

    1. First of all a terrible thing to say about Beau Biden. 2ndly what crime did he committ. And how does Joe Biden becoming president avoid trouble. There was no guarantee he would become preisdent.

  13. As always, thank you for the blog post. One small request – could you please add the date (or even just year) of the McVeigh bombing to your post? A lot of us who remember its occurrence won’t remember exactly when it happened, plus I’m sure you have a lot of readers who were children or not yet born at that time. Thanks.

  14. Ande Jacobson

    Trump will clearly try to leverage every possible legal loophole, but he’ll do it in the least advantageous way as his letter to Garland shows. It’s reasonable to meet with prosecutors. It’s not reasonable to make such a demand while whining about how unfairly he’s being treated along with the whataboutisms regarding the Bidens which no matter the merits (of which there are none), have no bearing on his case.

    It’ll be fun to read the DOJ’s response to this Westfall mishegas, especially with your explanations along the way.

  15. Joan Friedman

    Thank you for all this expansive clarity. Can you please resolve a related issue? My mother says she read that a Presidential candidate serving jail time after being convicted of felonies cannot become President, and a President convicted and sent to jail would thereby be removed from office. I think the office of president would take priority over the prison sentence, unfortuately, even without attempts at self-pardon. Either way, the moral of the story is: do what we can so crooks are not elected. But what is the law?

    1. This is not true and I’d be curious to know what your mother read. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a person serving a prison sentence cannot be elected president.

      Now, it is possible that he might be barred under the 14th Amendment for inciting an insurrection, should he be convicted and then should that issue be litigated but that will take time.

      Of course, if he is elected president he will immediately pardon himself for federal crimes, so there is that wrinkle. But he has been indicted in Manhattan and will no doubt be indicted in Georgia, and the pardon power does not reach state crimes.

      Here is section 3 of the 14th Amendment:
      Section 3.
      No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability

      1. > Now, it is possible that he might be barred under the 14th Amendment

        Probably will be — in states that are solidly Democratic and, thus, also democratic. That is why I advocated many, many times that Congress do a resolution-of-finding that he (and several other obvious culprits) participated and/or aided & abetted. Nobody listens to me tho.

        > Of course, if he is elected president he will immediately pardon himself for federal crimes

        It is not Constitutionally clear he can do that. It needs adjudication.

        Anyway, incarcerated people can’t be elected president. … probably. God I *hope* the MAGAts aren’t so far gone that they’d vote for a con con (convicted confidence artist) and also be able to prevail. Sheesh!!

      2. The other question we all keep arguing about – in part due to what some of the people on Twitter who should know better keep saying – is that he cannot be physically put in jail, because he is guaranteed his Secret Service protection for life, and it would be too complicated to provide those agents to protect him in prison. So he will only be put on home confinement,. I find that infuriating if it’s true. If he’s convicted, his Secret Service protection needs to be revoked & he needs to serve his sentence in jail.

        1. Secret service can’t be revoked because the statute that applies was passed by Congress and the Constitution specifically forbids passing laws that increase criminal penalties after the fact, or apply to one single person.

          As far as feeling “infuriated” by something that may never happen for a variety of reasons. I’d advise against that waste of energy.

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